EC DISCUSSION: M-Contract AL Players

[Copperfields]

How to handle M-contract players (minor leaguers, foreign players, random friends and family) who end up in the AL? Should they be automatically relased as soon as the move to the AL is effective? Or should they fall under the same rules as NL players who go to the AL?

LINK TO ORIGINAL DISCUSSION
cfcl.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=ec&action=display&thread=1117813412

[Copperfields]

I didn't re-read the original thread before posting the summary, and I made a slight mistake -- any new rule we decide on would apply only to "unsigned" M players (college, high school, foreign, etc), NOT to minor leaguers.

In other words if a guy was in an NL system when he was selected in the Rotation Draft, he falls under the same rules as major league NLers who go to the AL -- he can be kept, protected on Roster Freeze day, and activated if he comes back to the NL.

Players who were unsigned at the time they were drafted (in other words, were never in an NL system) would be automatically released if they ended up with an AL team.

(NOTE: if an NL minor leaguer gets traded to the AL mid-season and ends up getting called to the majors, I'd say the CFCL team should not be allowed to activate him and accrue his stats. It's one thing to allow that for a major leaguer that a team might have been counting on, but it's be a leap to make the same arguement for a minor leaguer.)

[Nick's Picts (archived)]

M contract goes directly to AL = contract voided and player immediately released
M contract goes from NL to AL = contract retained and all rules about M contract apply

• contract become D after 50IP or 150AB[/*]
• teams can elect to retain player with major league contract but must be on reserve list and salary comes out of draft budget[/*]

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I also like David's reasoning in the related thread and posted accordingly.

[MGrage]

Hmm, I forget who owned Andy Marte. Was it Eric? Now if I understand where this is going, he could have kept Marte in hopes that he'd eventually be traded back to the NL, right? With Andy being traded to the Indians, that could happen. Mahalo

Matt

[Copperfields]

mgrage said:

Hmm, I forget who owned Andy Marte. Was it Eric? Now if I understand where this is going, he could have kept Marte in hopes that he'd eventually be traded back to the NL, right? With Andy being traded to the Indians, that could happen.

Absolutely right, Matt. If the Chops had kept Marte through Winter Waivers and he ended up being traded to Philadelphia rather than possibly Cleveland, the Chops would still own him. Marte would be handled differently from someone like Kenji Jojima, who was never property of an NL team before going to Seattle.

The Chops would have the option of keeping Marte in the hopes of a return, while the Jojima would be automatically released from the Splinters' roster.

David

[Demreb]

Looks like I'm not going to have an original thought. I agree with Nick and David.

Unsigned college, Japanese, High School dude then signed by the AL gets released.

[Nick's Picts (archived)]

It's not so much your thinking is unoriginal, Rich, it's just you're too ding-danged slow with a keyboard!

_{I keed, I keed}

[MGrage]

I agree with Nick. You are a slow typist Rich.

[MGrage]

Now more to the point of the thread. That seems pretty fair. Now would Marte's salary count against Eric's salary cap? I know he's an M contract, but I think a case may be made for making Marte's salary count. As like a penalty besides clogging up a roster slot ... Mahalo

Matt

[Copperfields]

I don't see a case for counting the salary of M-contract players who go to the AL and are kept on reserve -- we've never counted salaries of M contract players, even when we've drafted former owners and pet dogs onto our Reserve Lists.

As Matt points out, you'd be using up a Reserve List spot -- not only in the Rotation Draft, but during the season -- on a player you can't activate. That's plenty penalty right there, IMO.

David

[Copperfields]

EC Recommendation: Any player selected in the Rotation Draft who is not the property of an NL or AL team (undrafted college/high school players, foreign players, friends and family) and who subsequently end up in an AL organization without having first been owned by an NL organization will be automatically released.

A couple tangential topics to be fleshed out:
1. If a CFCL team keeps an AL M contract player on reserve through the draft and that player is subesquently is called up by his AL team, should the CFCL team be allowed to activate him and accrue his stats?

2. Should the salary of an AL M contract player retained on Roster Freeze day count against his owner's $2.60 spending limit?

Taking those in reverse, I'd say "No" to #2. And because of that, I'd also say "No" to #1 -- if the CFCL team isn't paying the player's salary on Draft Day, they shouldn't be able to activate him during the season unless he comes back to the NL.

Agreements, disagreements?

David

[Demreb]

(Typing very quickly, very quickly - careful to not make typos).

I agree with the Recommendation and "vote" no on points 1 & 2.

Where are you Nikolai? Sleeping at the switch?

[Nick's Picts (archived)]

No, I'm futzing with my avatar...

I'll read this stuff more carefully when I'm at work and am getting paid to slack. ;D _{if only}

[Copperfields]

A couple additional recommendations on this one:

EC Recommendation: CFCL teams cannot activate M-contract players if they are currently part of an AL organization and promoted to the majors.

EC Recommendation: The salary of an AL M-contract player who is retained on Roster Freeze Day, should not[/b] coutn against the team's Draft Day spending limit.