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[MGrage]

nickpicts said:

Heck, I find I have to scrape various web sites just to get accurate Holds+Saves data to run projections on.

ESPN.com has holds right next to saves in their team pitching stats page. Plus the batting page has TB so it's one stop shopping. Granted it takes about 3-4 more mouse clicks than it should to get there but it's the best raw stats site around I think. Mahalo

Matt

[Nick's Picts (archived)]

mgrage said:

ESPN.com has holds right next to saves in their team pitching stats page. Plus the batting page has TB so it's one stop shopping.

That's new for this year then maybe? Still not on their splits stats though which is where I usually go for forecasting numbers. I like to forecast over a sample by month over the past three years. The only way to do this is to iterate over the gamelog on ESPN and do some string matching on the results column.

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copperfields said:

I think it's worthwhile to re-open this discussion and maybe try to gather some information.

Part of the problem I have in evaluating the possibilities of owners entering their own transactions at TQS is that I've never done it (as an owner as opposed to Secretary) and haven't seen the interface. TQS has shut down the ability to make changes to our league (presumably until we re-up for 2007), so I can't turn the feature on to see how it works. As such, I'm reliant on those who have used the feature in other leagues to describe how it works.

One main question I have: If you enter your own moves at TQS, do those moves go through right away, or do they have to be approved by the Commissioner before they become active at TQS?

If we're going to have some kind of hybrid model, where some owners enter their own moves and others submit them to me via the traditional approach, will I have the chance to look at the moves that were made at TQS (to sort out bids, waiver claims, etc) before those moves go into effect at TQS?

For example, say Steve enters a bid at TQS for free agent Don Money and his is the highest of all bids sent to TQS for Money. However, say Rich had sent his moves via e-mail and those moves included a bid for Money that tops Steves.

Will I need to go into TQS, remove Money from Steve's roster, undo all the associated moves, reimburse his FAAB balance, then assign Money to Rich's roster, etc.?

I was the commish of a league that used TQ and owners entered their own moves. Our rules were not nearly as complex as the CFCL. More of the standard with FAAB. As the commish I did not have to check or approve the bids and/or moves before they were processed. TQ error checked and awarded moves....but I'm not sure it has the capablility to handle all of our complexities by error checking itself. I do believe the option existed for moves and bids to need approval by me before being official. Again this is a little bit fuzzy because we did not do it that way but I do believe this is a possibility.

Not sure if that helped at all.....

[Copperfields]

Input on this thread seems to have petered out, but in the effort to gather a little more information before the EC digests it all and comes up with a recommendation, I posted a question on Rotojunkie's Bullpen forum - specifically, whether any TQS leagues use a "hybrid" approach where some teams enter their own moves and others submit them to the Commish.

Only one reply at this moment, but it might be worth keeping an eye on for the next week:
www.rotojunkie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78955

[Copperfields]

Based on the earlier feedback from Bill and the one response that was posted at RotoJunkie, it appears it would be rather difficult to set up a system in which some owners enter transactions themselves while others report them through me. At least where free agent bidding and waiver claims are concerned.

Here's an idea that might work, though (someone else may have actually suggested something like this earlier). What if we had separate transaction deadlines for FAAB/Waivers and regular active/reserve shuffling?

For example:
Free agent bids and waiver claims are due at 6:00 PM on Sunday evening. At that time, all that is required are the bids and claims -- no need to identify who's being reserved or waived. Bids and claims will be reported as they are now - via e-mail or voice mail, with me sending my bids to Rich.

As soon as possible after 6:00 PM, I will post the results of the bidding -- who got whom and for how much.

Then teams would have until a later time - say 10:00 PM, or heck, even Noon on Monday to make whatever other roster moves they need to make - whether to make room on the active roster/salary cap for a newly-acquired player or just to swap two players between active and reserve. This way everyone will know whether they've gotten the free agents they wanted and will be able to set their roster accordingly.

Even better, those who would like to do so can go in to the TQS site and shuffle guys around to their hearts content, using whatever tools TQS provides to verify roster sizes, positional distributions and salary cap compliance. Since I'm still not sure TQS will prevent you from doing certain things, we'd still need to come up with an explicit set of consequences for invalid rosters entered at TQS.

Obviously you wouldn't be required to make the moves at TQS -- you could still send your moves to me in an e-mail. Since there are no bids involved, I would be able to go in as commish and make the changes to your roster.

Also, you wouldn't be required to submit moves at both of the deadlines if you didn't want to. You could still submit your full set of moves all together (as we do now) at the bidding deadline of 6:00 PM.

If we were to pursue this, we'd need to do some thinking about the optimal times for the deadlines, and as noted above, the consequences if you submit an invalid roster when inputting your moves at TQS.

Is this worth discussing?

David